A murderer AND a liar!

[Nurseman]

"An innocent man is going to be murdered tonight. When my innocence is proven. I hope that Americans will realize the injustice of the death penalty as all civilized countries have. -Roger Keith Coleman

Those were the last words of a lying little shit that my state put out of our collective misery in 1992.

Wanda McCoy was only 19 when she died a gruesome death. Terrified and in horrible pain.

So many Bozo's who apparently find it inconceivable that a convict might have ACTUALLY murdered someone, went ballistic. They petitioned this state for clemency. They tried to get Coleman a new trial. They tried to save his life.

....and all the time He DID it. He KNEW he did it. He lied to EVERYBODY. To weasel out of getting just what he deserved.

Well, we now have REAL DNA EVIDENCE that the 'innocent' Mr Coleman did butcher his wife's sister.

Mike Farrell can kiss my ass.

[AllHailTheThief]

Oy, a death penalty debate?

Do we really need to go over this? With one side determining whose lives they can end in the name of retribution for a life already ended?

And the other side saying killing these rotten assholes does nothing but lower you to their level?

Don't get me wrong, these sons of bitches deserve to die, but I don't think we can be doing the killing. But perhaps i'm just too rational sometimes.

[Wolf]

If rulings could *always* be proven 100% correct, then I might support the death penalty.

[AllHailTheThief]

ditto

[The Sage]

so, if the death penalty was only imposed on definite cases (i.e. DNA evidence, 400 witnesess that saw him/her do it, video footage, confession) you would support it?

[Shocka]

so, if the death penalty was only imposed on definite cases (i.e. DNA evidence, 400 witnesess that saw him/her do it, video footage, confession) you would support it?

Can you think of a good argument against it? Martin Bryant - the insane Tasmanian guy who killed 30+ people that day with a semiautomatic weapon, including children - is in jail for life. He's never coming out. There is no doubt at all that he killed all of those people. And yet keeping him in prison costs us over one million dollars a year - taxpayer's money - to keep him in isolation, protected, so he can't kill himself, where he is clothed and fed. He even has a computer with games and the internet. Yes, he has internet access. He could be fucking reading this right now. He's better off than a scary percentage of the population, despite killing a ton of people mercilessly. Is there an argument against simply ending his life now rather than spending a shitload of money that could be used to help people?

[AbnormalBob]

I don't want to turn this into a religious debate shocka, but the way I see it, is that we don't have the right to decide who gets to live and who gets to die and having it all boil down to money.

In my opinion, that is just as bad as putting a hit out on someone.

But then again, everything in society boils down to economy.

However, does he NEED internet access, does he NEED everything he has?

I don't think so. It's not like the fact that he is isolated from society automatically makes it so it costs 1 million/yr to lock him up. Cut down on costs, I can see 2 things right there that can go. There's probably more.

[Enani]

so, if the death penalty was only imposed on definite cases (i.e. DNA evidence, 400 witnesess that saw him/her do it, video footage, confession) you would support it?

I support the death penalty for rapists.

but it's hard to get 400 witnesses to it...

[goofball]

We should abolish the death penalty for the following reasons.

-Irreversibility in case of error.
-Hypocrisy of the state commiting a premeditated killing, while condemming citizens who do so.
-Moral decay of those performing the executions.
-Little to no functional difference from life without possibility of parole.
-Inherent value of human life.

[Tootsie Pop]

Boondock Saints baby. Though that opens a huge can of worms........


I dont really buy into this whole "two wrongs dont make a right" stuff. Well, i kind of do... I dont know. Im on the fence. There are criminals out there who I feel deserve to die. But with errors in the system and all that... there is the fear of putting truely innocent people to death.

With 100% DNA evidence etc... kill the fuckers.


But thats where I am on the fence... without a confession, you can never be 100% sure. "He framed me!" all that crap.

[Nurseman]

-Moral decay of those performing the executions.
THATS a bit of "moral decay" I think I'll put up with. I'll happily push the button.


-Little to no functional difference from life without possibility of parole.
The difference is when you are walked down that last hallway. When they strap you onto that gurney (Too bad its not still the chair). When they stick that needle into your arm. And the sudden terror that turns your heart to ice when you start feeling the drugs take effect.


-Inherent value of human life.
Too bad the victim's life had no "inherent value".




Ya know its weird. I am usually very left (or at least, left-of-center) in most of my political views. But on this subject, I am right in there with the "neo-cons". I'm not a TOTAL Nazi. This isn't the right punishment for, oh say treason or parking violations. But when you take another person's life, in cold blood, with cruelty, and maliciousness. Then, as far as I am concerned, you have given up your spot in the HUMAN race. You DESERVE to die like the bug that you are.

My point with THIS thread was that here was a guy that, with his last breath, LIED, about committing his crime. I hate liars.
I used to be a Correctional Officer. I know THOUSANDS of inmates. Sometimes, in conversation, it comes up;"Did you actually DO it?". In all those people, FIVE have said,"Yeah". I have more respect for those few than almost anyone else in the world. Most everyone else says something like,"Well, they SAY I done it". As soon as I hear that, I know they are bullshitting me. In my book, when you do something wrong, you own up to it. You take your punishment like a man. You don't squirm out of it (or try to) with pretty speeches like what I quoted in my opening post.

Its hard to put my feelings here into words, to get my meaning across. To be eloquent. Do I like killing people? Of course not. But I have seen many crime scenes. I have carted bodies to the morgue. I've seen the blood. I have cleaned up the mess. When I think of that 19 year old girl, tied up, begging him not to hurt her anymore. And in response, he takes a knife and cuts her throat......

Roger Keith Coleman got exactly what he deserved.


....and there IS no doubt.

[goofball]

My sister is 20, when I think about him doing that to her and react emotionally I'm extremely pacifist and I'd likely kill the bastard. I wouldn't have lost sleep over his death but it was still wrong. He's a scumbag, unworthy of any consideration and deserves to spend 23 hours/day for the rest of his life in an 8x8 cell. But he doesn't deserve to die. You didn't address two of my reasons anyway.

[huh]

I think it's amazing how many people say to "Kill the fuckers" or "They deserve it" when ending the life of another human. I think people need to start looking into it a bit further. All it looks like to me is people wanting payback for all the horrible things the criminal did. I guess some may think it helps satisfy the victims, or relatives, of the crime. How about instead of killing another person, we try to figure out what is causing the problem, and then attempt to fix it? Killing them for the sake of payback or because we think they deserve doesn't seem right.

[Lone Wolf]

Is there an argument against simply ending his life now rather than spending a shitload of money that could be used to help people?

In my normal opinion, it is simply not right.

There's always the possibility that he will do something good.


I first wrote a big post about complexity, but then I realized it would just attract flames, so instead I'll just quote Tolkien:

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

[CrowNofThornS]

Buncha hippies...

Why go through the formality of lethal injection? A single 9mm bullet would be much cheaper.

[Lone Wolf]

Buncha hippies...

Why go through the formality of lethal injection? A single 9mm bullet would be much cheaper.

China?

[dtbmnec]

Buncha hippies...

Why go through the formality of lethal injection? A single 9mm bullet would be much cheaper.

Reminds me (sorta) of that Robin Williams line:

And then before they kill you they show you one last bit of compassion. They take an alcohol pad and wipe your arm down with it. "What the fuck are you doing?" "Well now we wouldn't want you to get that last minute infection!"

I'm all for the randomly locking them all on an island and seeing who all kills themselves/each other first....You know like a "Royal Rumble" crossed with the Greeks and their lion things (can't remember the name of hwat those were) crossed with "Lord of the Flies".....but on an island they cant' get out of (ie. huge assed walls or some shit).....I guess a Jurrassic Park kind of thing.....

Heee heee that way all we have to do is actually "provide" enough food and shelter materials for them instead of spending all this crazy money on internet and crap.....

Of course this would just be for the murderers and crap.....I dunno stick the rapists on another Island.....and well if you have those outstanding parking tickets........zzzzapp! :p

(ok the parking ticket thing was me being an ass!)

Ok so most of that isn't actually feasible......but yeh.....

As far as a serious answer is concerned......erm......I don't have one.....and while someone mentioned that you would be getting "payback" for killing a killer.....well if they're a mass murderer (ie. they killed 30 people).....I dunno.....they kill 30 people and we kill one.....I dunno.....it might not make all that much difference but.....i dunno.....anyone else following this? or am I just nuts here???

Megan

[huh]

As far as a serious answer is concerned......erm......I don't have one.....and while someone mentioned that you would be getting "payback" for killing a killer.....well if they're a mass murderer (ie. they killed 30 people).....I dunno.....they kill 30 people and we kill one.....I dunno.....it might not make all that much difference but.....i dunno.....anyone else following this? or am I just nuts here???
Megan


I think I followed. You mean to say that since we only killed one person, compared to their many, it's not enough to be considered payback?

[AllHailTheThief]

haha

Man you're all quite quick to push the button.

But of course you're not really putting yourself in another scenario outside of your chair in front of your computer.

That's okay, narrow-minded jack-assery is funny.

[Lone Wolf]

That's okay, narrow-minded jack-assery is funny.

As is reading only half the posts.

[AllHailTheThief]

Well I didn't include those that aren't pro-killing.

Sorry for the misunderstanding ;)

[Gezus]

I saw we let George Carlin decide.

[Burro]

"If it gets me a few miles down the road I'll take a shot in the mouth."

That's the only thing that ever springs to mind when I think of George Carlin. Damn you Kevin Smith! Damn you!

[Gezus]

Let's fence up another square state...