Where the true Hip Hop fans at?

[Truth]

So where's all ya'll at?


list your fav hip hop/ rap LP's

[Bravehearter]

I would have replied to this thread if you didnt make every other word all gangasta.

Fo Shizzle!

[Truth]

oh come on.... you didn't grow up like i grew up... I'm straight from the hood... I talk like I talk and that's it... :P

I talk professionally when I have too and when I'm around my friends and family and siblings, how I wrote in this thread is how i normally talk when i'm done working....

[Bravehearter]

I didnt grow up like you grew up? Give me a fucking break.
because you grew up in California and I grew up in Central Ontario doesnt mean that your a cop killer.
The only difference that could account for the difference in speech would be if they didnt teach English at your school.

[tadaoNakamaru]

Originally posted by Bravehearter@Oct 16 2004, 01:43 AM
I didnt grow up like you grew up? Give me a fucking break.
because you grew up in California and I grew up in Central Ontario doesnt mean that your a cop killer.
The only difference that could account for the difference in speech would be if they didnt teach English at your school.
You're such a fucking stiff, get a sense of humor.

How in the hell, given the context of the thread, did he come off as serious with his tone? He posted a thread about hip hop and R&B and you flame him for talking "gangsta" as you so eloquently put it. His second reply was as cynical as the first, but then you throw more drama on the thread. You could have just played along and used some of your Canadian "gangsta" speak and had some fun with the thread.

On topic: In Search Of - N.E.R.D.

Maybe not hip hop, but what I've been listening to lately in the department.

[Kuky]

I like the ones where the lyrics go:

"yo yo yo [word other than 'yo'] yo yo yo" (repeat hehe)

[Bravehearter]

Man dont get me wrong, I love a lot of rap.

Doesnt mean I have to start saying yo yo yo fo shizzle!

I should loosen up? actually maybe you should. Why is it truth can make a joke, but when I make one you flip out? Want a tissue or are you going to be ok? Its kinda like the kettle calling the pot black isnt it? Get a clue.

[tadaoNakamaru]

I've was a former member of this forum and now new again and I can say from just watching the boards for three or so years that you hold grudges against certain members. I'm defending Carlo because he's one of the members that you tend to single out and hold bias against for whatever stupid things he did in the past.

I didnt grow up like you grew up? Give me a fucking break.
because you grew up in California and I grew up in Central Ontario doesnt mean that your a cop killer.
The only difference that could account for the difference in speech would be if they didnt teach English at your school.

Yeah, that sounds really sarcastic. Jesus, it seems anytime anyone mentions how they've had a hard-knock life, you try to one-up them with yours.

[Lone_Raider]

Rap isn't my favorite Genre but I do have small rap collection. Favortie rap LP's of all time are, Run DMC, Wu Tang - Enter the Wu Tang, Snoop Dog - Doggy Style, Cypris Hill Black Sunday, and Dre - The Chronic 2001.

Some of those are old school, and mainstream, but those are some of the few I like ;)

[Truth]

Originally posted by Bravehearter@Oct 15 2004, 05:43 PM
I didnt grow up like you grew up?


The only difference that could account for the difference in speech would be if they didnt teach English at your school.
come on rob.. I wasn't trying to be offensive...

I learned english very well mind you. It's not a Cali West Side thing... Didn't you read what I said?...

I have fun talking slang.

By they way Andrew, thanks for sticking up. Even tho this was a bit of kidding going on...

I had to edit this post cuz i wrote a long reply about growing up blah blah.. But then again... I'm pretty drunk at the moment.

lol

[Bravehearter]

Originally posted by tadaoNakamaru@Oct 16 2004, 12:55 AM
I've was a former member of this forum and now new again and I can say from just watching the boards for three or so years that you hold grudges against certain members. I'm defending Carlo because he's one of the members that you tend to single out and hold bias against for whatever stupid things he did in the past.
Your going to be on that list soon if you dont watch yourelf.
Im getting a deck of cards made up, and your my ace of spades!

Listen man, you have been here a while, but you havent been here long enough to keep your nose in your own business, hes a big boy, he can defend himself, nothing wrong with healthy debate, or do you have a problem with that?

[Jebus]

This is JUST an online forum...everyone needs to loosen up.


Jussica 5 is my favorite rap group, I've been to one of their concerts.

[Truth]

Originally posted by Jebus@Oct 16 2004, 10:38 AM
Jussica 5 is my favorite rap group, I've been to one of their concerts.
I LOVE J5... My favorite group of all time.. Saw them at Shorline Ampthiter here during the Smokin' Grooves Concert.. Man it was a Concernt, there were grooves and there was a whole lotta smokin...

I heard of them, but I didnt think much of them until I saw them in concert. They blew me away and I was a fan ever since...


dip dip diver, socializer, on the rise the comittee's wiser and will disguise the truth... LOL

[KnappyOne]

C-dawg, damn seeing this thread made me go back. haha, we used to talk about so much rap / hip hop.

But I'm a true fanatic of old skool raps. TRUE raps. None of this shit just meant to sell records. I mean, come on, JaRule trying to say he's a gangsta. The fucker went to a private school, and yeah, he's about as ghetto as Mav for god sakes.

But anyways, yeah, I'm all about Sugarhill Gang, Run DMC, Dre, Tupac, Biggie, ghetto boys, and many more old skoolers.

Don't get me wrong, I do give props to some newer rappers... Eminem could hold his own with just about any old skooler, I'd love to hear a rap off with any old skooler vs. Eminem. Be a good show for sure. I like some 50, J5 = some damn damn good shit.

There are others, but yeah, I'm done for now.

[Clive]

I don't like rap/hip-hop at all, in fact I really despise the music, but there is a reason for this post! I give that Mos Def guy a lot of respect because I've just listened to him "flow" or whatever the hell you wanna call it and he's freaking insane, he's really good I'd say

[tadaoNakamaru]

Originally posted by Bravehearter@Oct 16 2004, 01:58 PM
Your going to be on that list soon if you dont watch yourelf.
Im getting a deck of cards made up, and your my ace of spades!

Listen man, you have been here a while, but you havent been here long enough to keep your nose in your own business, hes a big boy, he can defend himself, nothing wrong with healthy debate, or do you have a problem with that?
How is it a healthy debate? Please elaborate on that a bit. Just so you know, this wasn't a debate at all until you derailed the thread.

On topic: Another I want to add to that is anything by Zero 7. Not really hip hop, but it does have a more urban feel than most other trip hop music (early Massive Attack, etc. excluded). Also, Tricky, formally of Massive Attack, has some really good music that he's created while doing his solo career. Molotov is another group I should mention. They do have a lot of rock-like music, but some of their stuff could be considered Mexican hip hop if you looked at it a little differently. Eh, just a thought.

[Crash Override]

Why don't you shut the hell up and stop derailing the thread EVEN FUTHER if you care so much about the integrity and topic of this thread in the first place just so you can feel better about one-upping other people?

On topic:
Hip-hop is poisoning our youth.
If you'll look in other parts of these forums (Sex Shop, etc) you'll note that little kids who are giving head on school buses and such listen to hip-hop almost exclusively. You'll never find someone who listens to ANY OTHER GENRE exclusively that acts like that.
And they do it because rap "music" (and I use the term loosely) systematically degrades their morals and even their self-perceptions (women being nothing but "bitches" and "hoes"), and also by the average rap fan's admitted preference to speaking like an illiterate child (see above post: "I have fun talking slang").

That said, there are a few hip-hop artists out there that actually have a message (Common, k-os, Public Enemy), but I can probably count them all on one hand, so to have a handful of artists being THE ONLY excuse to even remotely justify the existence of such a vile, repugnant form of "music" is really kind of silly.

How's that for debate? Fo-shizzle, biatch, that was so tight I gotta bus' a cap in heeya right after I bus' a nut in my ho! :roll:

[Kuky]

I agree with crash. They're the source of thuglets, in a manner similar to how Britney Spears (BS) and company are a brooding ground for prostitot creation :).

But then, rap/hip/hop/etc. (etc = "styles where you replace music with a beat, and you replace singing with talking") does have its use for the more mature crowd who's past that ambiguous stage of their lives where they're desperately searching for identity (and where the weaker ones become 12 year old thugs :lol: it's kinda funny, sorry). Let's face it, driving with that "Move, bitch, get out the way" song is a lot of fun!

[Onlykrc]

1- needless to say i do love hip hop. However, Crash Override, i don't listen to it exclusively. It's just that I prefer it to most other genres. I love pop, rock, and soft rock. I love listening to my mom's cyndi lauper cd. i am one of the biggest musical fans i know (ok the only musical fan i know). Cats, Annie, Oliver, Rent, Lion King, and Chicago are just some of the musicals that i adore. actually musicals are my favorite things to listen to. I am a Backstreet Boys fan from waaayyyy back. I used to be absolutely fanatical about Michael Jackson, despite his personal life he's a musical genius. And i'm an American Idol dork who listens to the music of almost all the artists produced by the show. So please don't make blanket statements about me and what i listen to.

2- i doubt you've interviewed everybody on earth about their musical preferences and related them to their sexual activities. i know lots of girls who engage in risky sexual behavior and hate rap and hip hop.

3- just because someone chooses to speak a certain way doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have a good grasp on grammar. i rarely speak like that, and i get made fun of constantly because i speak proper english. i've been called an oreo my entire life (black on the outside, white on the inside). and i am a very big fan of hip hop, but it hasn't affected my ability to get an A in my Advance Placement English 11 Course, which i can receive a college credit for. most of my friends talk slang, but they know when to speak properly (job interviews, talking in front of the class, dealing with authority figures, etc.).

4- i agree that hip hop almost always degrades several minorities. and in my area it does sometimes affect a girl self-perception. despite the fact that i listen to this music, i dislike the use of terms like "bitch" and "ho," but i am willing to overlook their usage so that i can enjoy the tracks that actually have a message.

5- i also agree that very few rappers actually have a positive message. it's sad that they have such power and most of them use it for bad. fortunately, some of my favorite rappers actually have "something" to say.

Honestly, if someone asked me why i like hip hop i'd have a hard time answering. it's just my environment and the culture that goes along with it i guess. i like rap because of the beats and the fact that they do have something to say about their lives, sadly most of that is negative. it also just gets boring after a while to hear singer after singer sing about love and being an individual and so and so forth. rap takes enormous creativity and charisma and i appreciate and respect that.

my favorite artists in order
1-Ludacris (great beats, amazing lyricist)
2-Kanye West (i LOVE the song "Jesus Walks")
3-Eminem (definitely has something to say, even if it's usually "kiss my ass")
4-213 (i dont care too much for snoop dogg, but i love nate dogg)
5-Shawna (haven't heard much from her yet, but hopefully she can give some of the men in this genre a run for their money)
my runner up is jadakiss

[Truth]

To be honest Crash is just wrong. It's not hip hop that causes our teens to be sexually active on the school bus.... All forms of music has its raunchiness. It's not music that is the cause that, it's lack of parenting.

I say hip hop is alot better than other forms of music because I can truly relate to it. I've grown up in the hood. I've seen the thug/ street life. I've been trhough the drug deals, the gang bangs, and hell i've even seen a good friend of mine shot in a drive by. That's not due to music. That's just how life is around certain areas.

Now there are more hip hop artists around that have messages. I personally love Public Enemy, it was thier cd that i first bought back in my early highschool days.

KRS-1
Nas
Eminem
Public Enemy
X-Clan
Fugees
2pac
Kanye West (not my favorite)
NWA
West Side Connection


you can count those on two hands...


Mos Def is really good, he deserves where he is right now. Being a respected hip hop artists, an actor, movie actor... whatever it is. He's good.

[Crash Override]

Originally posted by Truth@Oct 17 2004, 02:21 PM
Now there are more hip hop artists around that have messages.
You have got to be fucking KIDDING me.

Did you even LOOK at the list of artists you've mentioned? 80% of them, while yes, they do have a message, that message happens to be "look at how much of a gangsta I am, gangsta gangsta word up."

Let's take a look at some of these "artists" right now.

KRS-One - KRS-One hasn't been relevant since 1992's Sex & Violence. He can hardly influence people if nobody listens to him. In fact, KRS-One is a perfect example of the point I'M trying to make; almost NO rapper that has a real message (sociopolitical, etc) connects with today's hip-hop youth. Ask 80% of today's hip-hop fans and you'll find Ludacris and Nelly at the top of their list, while most of them will have never even HEARD OF KRS-One.

Nas - "Look at how rich I am, I don't have to lie to judges anymore, and I can lace myself with gaudy jewelry" (You Owe Me), or "You're all jealous because I'm a rich rapper now and can buy lots of stuff, with 'money-folding bitches' and 'ice' and all that other stuff" (Hate Me Now), or "Wow, I never thought I'd ever be this rich, selling out tours, having hits and a 'crib with a 50-acre lawn' and other money-related stuff" (Did You Ever Think).

What a fantastic, positive message he's sending out to America's youth! You're so right. Wearing 'ice,' rolling 'sixes,' and possessing an entourage of 'money-folding bitches' are definitely what we should all aspire towards.

Eminem - Eminem is like that kid on the playground that used to eat worms for shock value. However, since everybody and their little sister knows Eminem is nothing more than a parody, we don't have to worry about kids taking him seriously, so I'll let this one slide. His "music" isn't positive, by any stretch of the imagination, but it provides a quaint bit of levity in these dire times, and as I said before, nobody respects him enough to actually buy into anything he says, so I'll say this one's a stalemate. He doesn't count for you or against you.

Public Enemy - I've already mentioned Public Enemy, so you've got one so far. Somebody who's still relevant, yet still positive. One whole rapper. Congratulations.

X-Clan - Firstly, X-Clan is really more funk than hip-hop, but that's a matter of opinion. What ISN'T a matter of opinion is the fact that they broke up over a decade ago, and their movement died as quickly as it sprung up, once again proving that there's no room in Hip-Hop for any sort of intelligence.

Fugees - Just because they were abstract and borderline incomprehensible, doesn't make them positive. Most of their songs are about how much of a great MC Wyclef is, with a few obscure references to Haiti and/or some other political or pop culture phenomenon. Never mind the fact that their two biggest singles ("Killing Me Softly" and "No Woman, No Cry") were both NON-RAP covers, anyway, or the fact that they broke up in '96.

2pac - Oh man, 2pac is so positive it makes me want to go down to the east side and fuck all y'all's bitches, yo! Grab your glock when you see 2pac, yo (Hit 'Em Up). It's time to slay these bitch niggas (Thug Love), you know it's West Side 'til we die, thug love for all my thug nations yo! :roll:

Kanye West - Having one song about Jesus doesn't make you a saint. The rest of his album is about getting high and dropping out of college (I've listened to 80% of it and was impressed with the production value and the catchiness, but that's all). NEXT!

NWA - I can't believe you even had the gall to say this. Do I even NEED to use examples from their songs? Hell, just listen to ANY NWA song. It's gangsta gangsta at its finest, and I'm glad one of their members finally got what was coming to his stupid gangsta gangsta ass. If you want to hear a REAL treatment of rap lyrics, download the Dynamite Hack cover of "Boyz N The Hood" by NWA. It's the exact same lyrics, but put to country guitars and sung instead of rapped. After you listen to that song, THEN you can come and tell me what sort of message NWA has to offer.

West Side Connection - Wow, another role model for America's youth! In fact, I think "Gangstas Make The World Go Round" and "3 Time Felon" should be required teaching in our music classes - no, wait, in ALL our classes! :roll:

Dumb.

So congratulations, you've got a grand total of one. Just to be generous I might give you half for KRS-One and half for X-Clan, to make you feel a little better about your worthless, insipid genre of "music" in that it's not ENTIRELY vomit-inducing, just 99% of it is. Happy?

[Onlykrc]

Originally posted by Truth@Oct 17 2004, 07:21 PM
Fugees
2pac

Mos Def is really good, he deserves where he is right now. Being a respected hip hop artists, an actor, movie actor... whatever it is. He's good.
yeah, i totally forgot 2pac. he's hardly what i'd call a positive role model, but his music is realistic. many rappers who songs give off negativity are simply "telling it like it is."

i love mos def, not so much as an artist, but i loved that def poetry thing on hbo.

fugees were alright. lauren hill is much better by herself though.

oh, and i loved that song "What Would You Do" by City High.

And no Crash making one song about Jesus doesn't make Kanye West a saint. But he does have a hell of a lot more on his album than songs about getting high and dropping out of college. (which college isn't for everyone and he's making it clear that it wasn't his thing, doesn't make it wrong to talk about it.) the songs "Two Words" "Slow Jamz" "The New Workout Plan" "Spaceship" "Last Call" "Never Let Me Down" "Breathe In Breathe Out" and "Through The Wire" are not about getting high or dropping out. That may be mentioned in a line or 2 of these songs, but they're not the basis. It's sad to say that the "raunchiness" of rap is probably what makes it sell. Most people probably wouldn't buy it if it was all rainbows and butterflies. Kanye sums up how fucked up the "game" is: "Always said if I rapped I'd say somethin' significant, But now I'm rappin' 'bout money, hoes, and rims again." And that's what sells.

I mean really hip hop and whether it's GOOD or BAD is a matter of opinion. and the lyrics can sometime be interpreted to be both. i believe that hip hop isn't exactly providing positive role models, but it does give kids and adults in my area people they can relate to.

i have several friends who've witnessed things and been involved in things that would have most likely happened exactly the same way with or without hip hop. my friend saw someone get shot and saw the head get blasted from the body when she was three years old. and that's just her area, she was exposed to horrible violence and that, more than some stupid music, affects her behavior these days (she just got suspended for beating some guy on the bus with a metal belt). another of my friends was unintentionally caught up with by some of his old friends (bad, bad influences) and a group of boys started shooting at them, and my friend was handed a gun. it was either kill or be killed, and i don't think he knows if he harmed anyone because he got away as fast as he could. this type of stuff happens, not because of the music they listen to, but because of location and circumstance. and what i did with that boy on the bus wasn't because i listen to hip hop. it was because i'm intimidated by that boy and at this point my emotional instability is making it impossible for me to give a fuck about anything, including what happens to me. but that has nothing to do with my musical preference, and i would have probably done even if all i listened to was classical music.

i'll admit that much of rap does seem like bullshit at times, but even if rappers aren't giving a positive message they're telling their stories. hip hop and music in general is a form of expression (rap especially because the artists write the majority of their lyrics). Sorry if you don't like the honesty in the songs.

[Jebus]

Hip hop is not ruining our culture’s youth anymore than any other genre of music. Jay-Z doesn’t make teen girls desire sex anymore than Elvis did it decades past. The only resemblance you might contend relates to parties and music choice. Hip hop music defines its style in the beat of the music. You don’t go to the clubs and dance to Dashboard Confessional. The essence behind hip hop creates a sexual mood, so of course that sexual mood might trigger sexual acts. But someone’s not going to have sex because they hear Nas or Kanye West, that’s ridicules. Further more, kids aren’t going to participate in sexual acts on the bus because they heard it done in a rap song. Most people who like hip hop listen to it because of the music and the beat, not what the rapper’s message is.

[Truth]

your opinion crash.. your opinion... :smile:


There are alot of underground hip hop artists with messages in thier lyrics....

there are more artists than you think out there with messages in thier lyrics.. i'm not going to get into some debate over the music I like.... Cuz I can go on all day debating.. but I don't feel like.


So, anyone else like hip hop?

[Bravehearter]

Ok, I'll weigh in on this. Ive always liked rap going up, or if I didnt like it, I was always exposed to it, kept an eye on a lot of artists, and was genuinly interested.

There arnt very many people in the industry who I would go and run out and grab on the first day, but I do like certain stuff from a lot of different people. But I get a lot of them for different reasons.

Eminem - Top of my list for all the reasons Bil said and more. If you dont like his lyrics or his image or whatever, how can you not respect a guy that came up through the industry in the prime of the 'lets make fun of vanilla ice' years. But for sure hes been molded by dre. Now that he is producing, everything he touches is gold. Hes been working a lot with Timberland as well, who is another person I follow.. (More on him later). I think hes a guy who is passionate about everything he does, and he does it well, you know hes just some guy who doesnt have an education for shit, but you know somewhere there is a real smart guy there. I think hes a lot smarter then he lets on to be, and as he gets older hes going to make tons with it. But Ive always liked his music, he pushed the edge, he always said it was for entertainment value, and its only old mothers and politicians who took him seriously, and it was honestly hilarious. I went to a concert with Him, Xzibit, Limp Bizkit and Papa Roach in Toronto, (Great Seats) and this group of old mothers were trying to block him at the border under Canada's Hate Laws. Give me a break. Anything that can stir up that controversy against old bags like that, I love. I follow him probably as close as another artist. Ill be first in line for tickets when he comes back to Toronto.

Dr. Dre. - I really like him more for his production of songs, his beats are friggen catchy. Its always different and catchy. Sometimes you just need a Dre song at the bar, its bound to happen, its always good.

Snoop - Usually I have to be in the mood for him, but he gets on my list out of pure respect. Haha hes a real drug dealer woman drug abuser who basically got to the top because he had the respect of everyone in the LA Area. Man, and after seeing him in Starsky and Hutch, I cant help but laugh whenever I see him.

Ludacris - I dont care, if you have been drinking or smoking and snoop comes on, listen to his lyrics, haha there is always some hilarious clevers hit on there, Dirty as fuck sometimes but its always hilarious. Always has a beat you cruise to, Ludacris is always a blast haha.

Tupac - Entertainment alone, hes a great performer. The fact he was trying to get something across a lot of the time was always a plus too. But whats with ALL these albulms if he is dead? Jeez.

I might add some more later.

People NOT on my List:
P. Diddy, puff Daddy, whatever the hell he wants to be called.
Nelly. Moron, straight up.
and most of the industry heh.

[Onlykrc]

Originally posted by Bravehearter@Oct 18 2004, 09:58 PM
People NOT on my List:
P. Diddy, puff Daddy, whatever the hell he wants to be called.
Nelly. Moron, straight up.

:clap: Hell yeah. P. Diddy's a joke to me. And I mean Nelly's got some nice beats, catchy songs, but is it just me or do almost all of his songs sound the same.

[Truth]

P.Diddly is not exactly a great rap artist... He's further more a great producer. If it were not for Puffy, Biggie would not have been on the scene... I am sure he would have but not as well recognized...

[meeso]

Rap, in my opinion, would be a lot cooler if the music had creativity. I'm so tired of hearing whistles and the same beat over and over again.

I'm not really a fan of outkast but they are moving into the right direction.. you know... music.

Rap isn't music, it's lyrics spoken over a repititous beat. And to me, that's just not cool.. Regardless if they are talking about their "bling bling" or whatever else is the "cool" shit today.

[Truth]

Originally posted by meeso@Oct 19 2004, 09:20 AM
Rap, in my opinion, would be a lot cooler if the music had creativity. I'm so tired of hearing whistles and the same beat over and over again.

I'm not really a fan of outkast but they are moving into the right direction.. you know... music.

Rap isn't music, it's lyrics spoken over a repititous beat. And to me, that's just not cool.. Regardless if they are talking about their "bling bling" or whatever else is the "cool" shit today.
Meeso, don't be an idiot

[IGemini]

How does stating that make him an idiot? I was raised by playing or singing music which involves actual reading and understanding notation substantially more than the number of genres I listened to as opposed to simply listening to it like most other people. So that's how I visualize music as I listen to it: as notes on a page with chord progression. The complete truth is that rap is the genre that lacks this feature the most in what I consider music, hip-hop coming in second. The vast majority of rap that I've heard, if I were to sit down and write out the notes on staff paper would take seconds, literally. There is almost no variation throughout what I've heard.

Don't get me wrong, I don't listen to metal that consists mostly of screaming or monotone vocals, because I can't stand hearing one note played constantly. I listen to trance which is known for repetition as well, but I don't listen to all trance. Specifically, rhythms that test my patience. The one artist that is on my outlier for it is Darude. This is why vocal trance is my biggest collection in that category because they add melodic vocals to the song.

[meeso]

Originally posted by Truth@Oct 19 2004, 05:23 PM
Meeso, don't be an idiot
You didn't contradict me... please... elaborate on your comment.

This is why vocal trance is my biggest collection in that category because they add melodic vocals to the song.

I <3 Jan Johnston.

[Truth]

Originally posted by Truth@Oct 19 2004, 09:23 AM
Meeso, don't be an idiot
Rap is music....

I know all about sining and playing an instrument. I have asian paretns, I had to learn piano, violin and had been lead tenor in chior.. That's not Hood Like but still, i appreciate all forms of music.. You are just bashing it based on your presonal opinion...


Outkast, yeah they changed thier form of music... They still know thier roots.. you are saying it's lyrics over a repitituos beat.. It's harder to make a beat than you think, you stil need to know about music in order to know how to intograte certain sounds into a beat... As far as lyrics... There are artists with great lyrics and artists with generic crappy lyrics... Just like in music, there is good music, then there is bad....


Not everyone can be happy with what's out there.. Keep the bashing of hip hop to a minimum... :P

[IGemini]

I wasn't aware that having Asian parents made a difference in one's musical upbringing because I've seen it go both ways...that's more discrimination on your part than mine.

Contrary to what most people assert, music does influence how we act. That's my biggest thing against rap (especially gangsta rap, which is what my roommate is listening to right and and I'm trying my best to drown out). It's very disturbing to me to see my friends at home, who are the whitest people on the face of the planet to be using the n-word more than the blacks I interact with on this campus. They say they don't mean this as racist but it's still the dumbest fucking thing I've seen. I'd love to see them do that on the floor of my dorm which is almost half-and-half.

(I'm not done this post, I have class. I'l finish it later)

[Truth]

Originally posted by IGemini@Oct 19 2004, 11:04 AM
I wasn't aware that having Asian parents made a difference in one's musical upbringing because I've seen it go both ways...that's more discrimination on your part than mine.

Ask me if I care, Kyle...


Alot of asians that I grew up with had to take an instrument...


You said "the blacks", what kind of term is that..And you call me discriminating....

[meeso]

Rap is music....

I know all about sining and playing an instrument. I have asian paretns, I had to learn piano, violin and had been lead tenor in chior.. That's not Hood Like but still, i appreciate all forms of music.. You are just bashing it based on your presonal opinion...

Your talking about your asian parents and you having to learn piano to somehow validate you opinion apparently has more weight than mine. That I kinda find funny.

Secondly, it wasn't a bash. It was a blanket statement. It's not music (technically it could be a form of music) but if all you have is a synthesized drum beat with some sounds, I hardly call that music. Take away the lyrics in a rap song and tell me if you can stand it.

I mean without such meaningful lyrics like "from the windowwwwww to the walllll " a rap song would not be what it is.

Rap is more poetry (a disgruntled poem maybe) than music. The beat just keeps the "song" moving.

you are saying it's lyrics over a repitituos beat.. It's harder to make a beat than you think, you stil need to know about music in order to know how to intograte certain sounds into a beat..

Once again you didn't contradict what I said. If you call a monotonous beat with some dumbass whistling sound and talking about bitches and hos MUSIC then so be it.. I give my opinion, you call me an idiot.. at least tell your mommy next time.

[meeso]

Originally posted by Truth@Oct 19 2004, 07:18 PM
Ask me if I care, Kyle...


Alot of asians that I grew up with had to take an instrument...


You said "the blacks", what kind of term is that..And you call me discriminating....
"The blacks" = Black people.

What the fuck kind of term do you think it is? He was making a reference to whites using the word NIGGER more than blacks these days trying to "be cool"

This conversation has gotten to the point of retarded.. when did asians become a part of this?

[Truth]

Lock the thread... Ruined by to many people, including myself.

I didn't ask for if you liked hip hop or not... just wondering where the fans are and which artists they like...