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Nurseman
September 4th, 2002, 02:06 AM
I wanted to start a new thread because I felt this was too long and wouldn't be seen if I left it in the prior thread.

First a bit of review:

When the Dr feels that the tissues around the opening of the birth canal are stretching beyond their limit, they will often opt to perform an "episotomy", an incision made into the perineum (which is actually pretty thin at this time. They AREN'T cutting you all the way to the anus).
A surgical scar is something that can be controled, a baby tearing the birth canal wide open is not.

A breech birth (Butt first) is not at all uncommon but can be a problem as the baby's body comes out easily enough but the head gets stuck. Paramedics are taught that this is the ONLY time that they may insert anything into the birth canal, namely their fingers, one to each side of the baby's nose so that the baby can breathe.

Cesarean delivery is when the baby is delivered via a surgical incision made through the abdominal wall. This is usually done only as an emergency measure. All KINDS of things can go wrong at a birth: Limb presentation (where just an arm or leg is hanging out), placenta previa (where the placenta has actually grown over the opening to the uterus) major bleeding, the list goes on. Thats one reason why I am no big fan of "home delivery" (a romantic notion at best).
If you had visions of great big hideous scars, forget 'em. Most Cesareans are done via a "Bikini incision", a 5 in. incision is made just above the pelvic mound and the Dr. usually takes great care sewing it up. (I have heard of Plastique Surgeons being brought in to do this part to minimize scarring.)
As for the belief that, post-op, you are flat on your back for weeks, sorry, that may have been true many years ago but no longer. I have made many a patient, fresh from surgery, get up and walk to the bathroom, NOT because I didn't feel like cleaning up a bed or otherwise "just trying to make things easier for myself" but rather it is now known that when you spend a lot of time in bed, your body systems shut down. This is bad.
I have even heard of patients walking back to their rooms FROM recovery.

BTW, I TOO was a "Cesarean Baby". To this day I can't leave the house without going thru the WINDOW!!! :lol: :lol:

Freshly birthed babies are often a little bloody (apologies to the Britts reading this) but that isn't nessessarily because of a surgical intervention. The stretching of the tissues of the birth canal, as well as other functions in the birthing process, can cause small blood vessels to rupture. Massive bleeding is a leading cause of women dying in childbirth. When the baby is first brought out it is covered with amniotic fluid and other stuff (urine AND feces are not at ALL uncommon) it may look like a lot of blood, but its prolly something else.

LOTS of things are done today to make the birthing process easier. Research goes on all the time. New trends and techniques develope constantly. I was reciently in a "Birthing Center" where the birth took place in a big hot tub. I thought THAT was amazing. I can just see the Dr and nurses in 'Speedos'. :lol:
Lying flat on your back with your legs up in sturrups has pretty much gone the way of Polyester Disco Shirts. Only a real conservative/behind-the-times Dr would deliver in that manner.
My point is that birth, while not exactly tea-with-the-Queen, is really a great experience. I highly recommend it. :)

BabyDiva
September 4th, 2002, 11:40 AM
Lying flat on your back with your legs up in sturrups has pretty much gone the way of Polyester Disco Shirts. Only a real conservative/behind-the-times Dr would deliver in that manner.

EVERY birth at our local hospital does it in this manner - I've witnessed 4 myself. These are also young doctors who aren't behind the times either. Maybe in the area you're in they're more progessive, but down here in the great southern states it's done the way that some male came up with which is the most difficult way to give birth.


My point is that birth, while not exactly tea-with-the-Queen, is really a great experience. I highly recommend it.

You're a guy - how can you recommend something you will NEVER go through? Watching a birth and experiencing something the size of a small watermelon being pushed out of your body with everyone and their brother staring at the private parts of your body are completely different. I'm not negating what you said or your knowledge of the subject - just a little odd for you to recommend something you've only witnessed or helped with.

Having a child is a wonderful experience, the pain and discomfort and general "oddness" of pregnancy and child birth are much lessoned when that child looks up at you after the doctor places him/her in your arms.

SupernaturalNympho
September 4th, 2002, 03:34 PM
I started reading this, glanced at the word 'episotomy' and thought twice about it. I'm eating breakfast. :lol: i'll come back ;)

The Sage
September 4th, 2002, 09:51 PM
EVERY birth at our local hospital does it in this manner - I've witnessed 4 myself.
births here in WA aren't usually like that. maybe we're progressive just like nurseman's hospital. all the hospitals have birthing suites that contain stirrups (i know, we design hospitals here at my firm) but they are actually used less than half the time. it also comes down to personal preference as well. one of my friends had a child recently, and they asked her if she wanted to use them or not. she chose not to.

You're a guy - how can you recommend something you will NEVER go through? Watching a birth and experiencing something the size of a small watermelon being pushed out of your body with everyone and their brother staring at the private parts of your body are completely different. I'm not negating what you said or your knowledge of the subject - just a little odd for you to recommend something you've only witnessed or helped with.
my dad, my soon to be father-in-law, my uncles and other friends have all stated that birth is a wonderful experience to witness. you may not realise it, but a father 'feels' the agony and pain that his wife/partner is going through, and the joy of the delivery is just as strong to him as it is to the mother.

Having a child is a wonderful experience, the pain and discomfort and general "oddness" of pregnancy and child birth are much lessoned when that child looks up at you after the doctor places him/her in your arms.
it's apparently a much better experience when your husband places it in your arms. generally here, the father cuts the cord (preference) and then the baby is wrapped up and handed to the father, then he holds it and looks at it, then places the baby on the mother's chest.

don't forget the father's role in this.

BabyDiva
September 4th, 2002, 11:43 PM
Nate, I know the father's role, but I'm talking about nurseman in particular right now.

I know Cameron doesn't want to cut the cord (since his sister is pregnant we've talked about children more) but I've never known the doctors to hand the baby to the father first. From everything I've seen and heard from friends already with children and witnessed they clean the child up some and then give him/her to the mother first. Maybe that's another thing varying by areas.

I know the father plays a strong role, and the joy is the same, but I have yet to see a man ask or come close to BEG for painkillers. I still say the pain is something that most guys can't comprehend - especially after being pregnant for 9 months with this baby you'll love for the rest of your life growing inside of you. It's something unique to us ladies. Not a BAD thing, but unique. I personally cannot wait and I know Cameron will be by my side the whole time - although maybe close to passing out from what he's gonna see. But a lot of the experience is something you men won't have the joy of going through (I say that truly, not sarcastically - it IS an experience of worth)

nicruns
September 5th, 2002, 12:31 AM
baby diva i think he meant "experiencing birth" in the sense of watching the process. i dunno. just my interpretation. good stuff nurseman...we hampton roads people know our shit ;)

kuju
September 5th, 2002, 01:20 AM
Hey Nursey... is there a difference between the butt-first breech birth and "feet-first" or do people simply not know the diff. between feet and the butt?

Nurseman
September 5th, 2002, 08:05 AM
You're a guy - how can you recommend something you will NEVER go through? Watching a birth and experiencing something the size of a small watermelon being pushed out of your body with everyone and their brother staring at the private parts of your body are completely different. I'm not negating what you said or your knowledge of the subject - just a little odd for you to recommend something you've only witnessed or helped with.

Oh BD, you are such a cynic. Do I actually HAVE to walk on the Moon to know it must be fantastic? Must I actually HAVE a heart attack to know it must be awful? (Wait a minute! I HAVE had a heart attack. And it WAS pretty awful.)
Yes, I was being flippant, but I first saw a birth in 1997 and I'm STILL jazzed over it. Maybe I'm overly romantic but I consider it one of the true highlights of MY life. Birth is an amazing experience, for EVERYBODY. I STILL highly recommend it.

I'm sure there is some proper technical name for a feet first presentation but I've never heard of it. I don't immagine it happens too often, if at all. And don't call me "Nursey", Julie. :P

BabyDiva
September 5th, 2002, 10:20 AM
Feet first - shoot - I used to know the name. Dang it why did I have to forget most stuff from high school??!?!?!

I'm not a cynic. If you get to know me you'll know I swing from realist to optimist quite often. I just get sort of perturbed when someone talks about something they'll never experience firsthand. Being the one giving birth isn't exactly the same as being a spectator/supporter. We're going through a sort of battle with my boyfriend's sister because her mother-in-law wants to be in the room when she gives birth because she never experienced birth (her son was adopted at a few months old). Mandy (the sister) says there's no way! But that's just an aside really.

Anyway - I'm glad you're excited over it...was it your own child or were you helping with a delivery? 1997 and still excited - you don't get out much do you dear? (just kidding - that WAS a joke!). Maybe I don't get as excited because I've seen 4 within a 6 year period. Every child still makes me ooh and ahh, it's still wonderful - I guess I just don't have the same attraction to it others who haven't seen it before do. Who knows.

Asphodelle13
September 5th, 2002, 02:41 PM
I thought that childbirth was a wonderful experience...well towards the end of it anyhow. :P ..as soon as they told me to push half my pain went away...and when they gave me my baby I felt A LOT better. Seeing that little face look at you is so rewarding, it makes it all worthwhile. Its like what BabyDiva said...fathers(and anyone that witnesses childbirth) experience something wonderful but its totally different from what a mother feels.

Nurseman
September 5th, 2002, 06:27 PM
Ok, fine, and YOU girls will never experience the wonder of peeing standing up. :roll:

You DON'T have to take EVERYTHING in life so LITERAL. Obviously, I can't experience the sensation of a baby passing through the birth canal (And I thank God for it too, sister!) I don't experience the embarrassment of being butt-naked in a room full of strangers, every one of them staring right at my crotch! :o

Yes, we men are cold unfeeling automatons. We know nothing except what is in our narrow scope of first-hand experience. Yeah, if it wasn't for occationally getting "it" caught in the ole zipper, we wouldn't know what pain was at all!

Humph!!!

**Goes back to watching porno**